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    Battlefield Hardline just came out and got a 76 on Metacritic, barely positive. I guess it's really time we lowered our expectations.

    I agree that games nowadays take far longer to develop. So many artworks, textures and lighting models to work on. I reckon this is ultimately the consumers' fault: we always expect bad-ass graphics, and later games always have to look better than older ones. But developing top-notched graphics is no excuse for making a lame game. Games are about having fun, why sacrifice fun for the sake of graphics?

    There have been terrific indie games in recent years. However, although the experience they provide can be incredible, it is usually quite short-lived. Indie games still fail to match the scale and scope of legends in the past. They still aren't the perfect substitute for games I want to play.

    Honestly, I am perfectly content with graphics from 2010 and 2011 even. They could have just made games with equivalent graphics, but run at Full HD and 60 fps. I mean original ones and not more remasters.

    Maybe The Witcher and Batman are the next-gen games we have been waiting for. Still, I have learned not to expect so much after seeing so many hyped games turning into big disappointments.

    I really really miss the halcyon days when we had a myriad of great games to explore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Titan View Post
    On another note, what local shops drop the prices of games and consoles? I would love to see that here in the states....though then again, we don't really have local shops. It's just GameStop and EB Games (depending on the mall and EB is also owned by GameStop). The only other choice is big box electronics stores. And they ain't really dropping prices either, lol. Walmart sells controllers for like a dollar or two less but **** Walmart I used to work for Best Buy and I saw the costs for the consoles, controllers and games. They ain't selling them at a profit, or much of one. If I remember correctly, the PS3 Slim cost them $295 then and they were selling it for $300. Most people don't know that GameStop only makes their big profits from used games. Which is why 2 weeks after you buy a new release and sell it back, they offer you a piece of string and a button then turn around and sell it for 50 bucks.
    I recognize that I have a lack of experience about consoles, in that period when I was between 20 and 30 years old more or less (1990 - 2000), because I was playing with girls mostly. LOL!! So... ehm... my point of view and the related comments are limited, I know.

    Anyway, we do have small shops here, not connected to the malls or to worldwide brands (like GameStop). They can take indipendent decisions about the pricing and the marketing in general, then sometimes you can find some offers (f. ex. 1 new game and 2 used games for 80€) or small discounts on accessories, headsets, cables, etc. For the used games, I always let him (him is the owner of the shop I buy at) sell my used games. Means I don't get the money suddenly, but only when he sold the game. I can have my money back or spend it to purchase new games or other things he sells (f. ex. cards, table games, figurines, PS credits, etc.). The price of used games varies and it depends on the conditions of the disc, the case, and the papers. My used games are really like new so I can earn upto 30-35€ for a sold game. I also recently sold a X1 for 250€, for example. It's very convenient and for this reason I rarely buy a game from Amazon or in the malls. When I was in Portland in Oregon, I saw small videogame shops and I think they are independent. Weird that in New York you can't find them.
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    To clarify a bit, Unity runs at 900p on both Xbox One and PS4. The surprise? It actually performs BETTER on Xbox One!

    The reason is that Xbox One commands a CPU advantage. With so many NPCs loitering around, the AI can put real stress on the CPU and so there can be a CPU bottleneck.

    This really says a lot about the capability of current consoles' hardware. The power of these machines fall short of the developers' ambition right at the start. This generation might not last as long as we want it to be.

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    While we debate about competition yes, comepetition not, here's a map of the United States, with the preferences of the american gamers:



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    22 states with X1, 19 states with PS4.
    Now, where the hell is the competition?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex_68 View Post
    While we debate about competition yes, comepetition not, here's a map of the United States, with the preferences of the american gamers:



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    22 states with X1, 19 states with PS4.
    Now, where the hell is the competition?
    Aweome map, also the map seems to support my idea below :P

    Republicans = X1, Democrats = PS4

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex_68 View Post
    While we debate about competition yes, comepetition not, here's a map of the United States, with the preferences of the american gamers:



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    22 states with X1, 19 states with PS4.
    Now, where the hell is the competition?
    What is that based off of? Sales? Couldn't read that website. It is in some kind of jibberish language
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    Quote Originally Posted by Titan View Post
    What is that based off of? Sales? Couldn't read that website. It is in some kind of jibberish language
    Yes, it's based on the number of consoles sold.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex_68 View Post
    Yes, it's based on the number of consoles sold.
    Kinda surprised by that, especially considering the lead Sony has in sales over Microsoft. Though I'm not surprised Xbox is winning in my state. Xbox tends to attract the 'bro' gamer and there isn't a shortage of bros in my state
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    Be careful believing what you read on the web. This "source" says the actual source is a site called movoto.com. If you pull up movoto.com it's a real estate with nothing related to the statistics of that article. Also, I can't find anything else on the internet related to the actual source of that information.

    If anyone can find that real statistics for this I'd love to see it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex_68 View Post
    Yes, it's based on the number of consoles sold.
    You know where to the find the actual statistics on this? I couldn't find anything related to the original information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WarMaximum View Post
    You know where to the find the actual statistics on this? I couldn't find anything related to the original information.
    Here is the original information.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WarMaximum View Post
    Be careful believing what you read on the web. This "source" says the actual source is a site called movoto.com. If you pull up movoto.com it's a real estate with nothing related to the statistics of that article. Also, I can't find anything else on the internet related to the actual source of that information.

    If anyone can find that real statistics for this I'd love to see it.
    Real estate site Movoto spent some time collecting social media data via Facebook likes to see which consoles were the most popular in a given state. The result is something that looks a bit like a political map, an apt comparison given how fervently console fans support their platform of choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex_68 View Post
    Here is the original information.
    Interesting. That says they are going off of the number of Facebook fans that each console has. Pretty sure this has nothing to do with overall Sales. If you can find where it says this is related to total Sales I'd love to check that out as well.

    Honestly, I believe PS4 would be more popular in most states just based off of the actual units sold. PS4 has been outpacing Xbox One in Sales most months since they released. I think November and December may have been the exception but Xbox is still lagging in total Sales when compared to PS4.

    If anything this article shows that Xbox One fans are more likely to hit the "like" button on FB lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Titan View Post
    From the Forbes site
    LoL like I said be careful believing what you read on the internet. The link takes you to movoto's site, where the original info is contained, and it says that information is based on the number of FB fans. It has nothing to do with the total number of consoles sold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WarMaximum View Post
    LoL like I said be careful believing what you read on the internet. The link takes you to movoto's site, where the original info is contained, and it says that information is based on the number of FB fans. It has nothing to do with the total number of consoles sold.
    Don't have to tell me twice, lol. I've been trolling the internet since 1995. Not gonna lie though, didn't read the article too thoroughly (mostly because I'm flipping between tabs looking at a new stuff for my Jeep ). But now that I've had a minute to actually read and digest it, yeah, Facebook likes mean nothing. Just proves which console has people who are spending more time on Facebook liking crap than actual gaming Either way, Alex posted an interesting link though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WarMaximum View Post
    Honestly, I believe PS4 would be more popular in most states just based off of the actual units sold.
    I think you are right Max. Good then, it means there is still competition among the two main brands. We can only have advantages from that.

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    I'm flipping between tabs looking at a new stuff for my Jeep
    OT: Cherokee? Damn... I love that car.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex_68 View Post
    OT: Cherokee? Damn... I love that car.
    2006 liberty Renegade. Though in Europe I think they call it Cherokee. Still not sure how I feel about the new Cherokees though. The Trailhawk version looks nice but I can't take the others serious. Jeeps are supposed to be 4x4s, not front wheel drive built on a car platform.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Titan View Post
    2006 liberty Renegade. Though in Europe I think they call it Cherokee. Still not sure how I feel about the new Cherokees though. The Trailhawk version looks nice but I can't take the others serious. Jeeps are supposed to be 4x4s, not front wheel drive built on a car platform.
    Yep, it's what we call Cherokee here. A damnate strong car. I had the previous model '98, green, 4x4, gear reductions, with the 5th weel outside, mounted on the rear door. It was a special version with a 2.5 diesel motor, produced in Italy by a company called VM Motors. An unbreakable car, I loved it.

    (sorry guys for the OT) Cars thread here.
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    Just came by to say that God of War 3 is going to have a remaster too. This is getting too annoying. We all should be really worried about Bloodborne launching next week, one of the few original games we get for the PS4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nghia2518 View Post
    Just came by to say that God of War 3 is going to have a remaster too. This is getting too annoying. We all should be really worried about Bloodborne launching next week, one of the few original games we get for the PS4.
    I understand your frustration . But personally God of war 3 is one of the best games to date for me..... It's a masterpiece and I don't mind it getting remastered. I'm not complaining but I do understand that it would be awesome to get fresh games for the new generation instead of ltd games being tweaked.

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    I think that I don't have much of an issue with remasters themselves, but they become a problem when they just dominate the library of the PS4. PS4 needs to find its own identity and not rely on past games to fill the vacancy. They can make remasters all they want, just keep the new games coming. If the devs are only focused on repackaging old games, it certainly feels like they are resorting to cheap tactics to milk cash from us gamers. Did we ever get so many remasters for a new console? During those past transitions, there were never so many remasters. I understand that costs are an issue, but I can't help but feel frustrated with things as they are.

    And why not deliver a great bundle of many God of War games instead of just one, just like Microsoft did with the Master Chief Collection?

    To be honest I'm not going to boycott these remasters myself, I just find it irksome to have to keep buying old games released with new graphics and all. I personally love God of War 3 too, and it's almost certain I will grab the PS4 version when it comes out.

    Lastly, if console games still follow this deplorable trend, then people will be flocking to PC and consoles will die. The PC's library is infinitely backward compatible, supporting games as old as twenty years old. Graphics is always scalable; if you get a new shiny GPU you can always take the settings up several notches without having to buy a whole new product. The PC is invading the living room too, with many products designed as sleek, console-looking machines. Though the initial set-up costs for a powerful PC can be prohibitive, gaming on PC is always cheaper thanks to ridiculous discounts. The consoles are already way behind in terms of raw power, and so if they can't keep up at least on the software ( in which honestly I think they are losing too), then the PC's triumph will be inevitable.

    I dread the day consoles become a distant memory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nghia2518 View Post
    I think that I don't have much of an issue with remasters themselves, but they become a problem when they just dominate the library of the PS4. PS4 needs to find its own identity and not rely on past games to fill the vacancy. They can make remasters all they want, just keep the new games coming. If the devs are only focused on repackaging old games, it certainly feels like they are resorting to cheap tactics to milk cash from us gamers. Did we ever get so many remasters for a new console? During those past transitions, there were never so many remasters. I understand that costs are an issue, but I can't help but feel frustrated with things as they are.

    And why not deliver a great bundle of many God of War games instead of just one, just like Microsoft did with the Master Chief Collection?

    To be honest I'm not going to boycott these remasters myself, I just find it irksome to have to keep buying old games released with new graphics and all. I personally love God of War 3 too, and it's almost certain I will grab the PS4 version when it comes out.

    Lastly, if console games still follow this deplorable trend, then people will be flocking to PC and consoles will die. The PC's library is infinitely backward compatible, supporting games as old as twenty years old. Graphics is always scalable; if you get a new shiny GPU you can always take the settings up several notches without having to buy a whole new product. The PC is invading the living room too, with many products designed as sleek, console-looking machines. Though the initial set-up costs for a powerful PC can be prohibitive, gaming on PC is always cheaper thanks to ridiculous discounts. The consoles are already way behind in terms of raw power, and so if they can't keep up at least on the software ( in which honestly I think they are losing too), then the PC's triumph will be inevitable.

    I dread the day consoles become a distant memory.
    Damn fine post there.

    I want to share an article I read while on lunch today. It's from Push Square and it really does put everything in perspective of what we're talking about, even though I felt sad and depressed after I read it. But the author hits on some good points.


    http://www.pushsquare.com/news/2015/...n_of_the_times
    Soapbox: Has It Just Been a Bad Week for Games, Or Is This Simply a Sign of the Times?

    Posted Fri 20th Mar 2015 12:45 by Sammy Barker

    Sammy Barker reckons that the industry’s in one big scrap
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    You've got to take the rough with the smooth – but these past few days have been more rugged than Vin Diesel's right-angled jaw. It's not been a vintage week for the games industry, with Metal Gear Solid creator Hideo Kojima seemingly being pushed out of Konami, first-party developer Evolution Studios struck by a round of redundancies, and even indie developer Jeff Minter blocked from releasing TxK on the PlayStation 4. But has this just been a bad week, a catalogue of catastrophes all occurring within the same small timeframe – or is this more a sign of the times?

    It's becoming clearer to me that gaming is in a transitional period right now, and I'm not sure that it's going to land on its feet for a while. Sales of the PlayStation 4 – now at an impressive 20.2 million units – show that console gaming is alive and well, but I am starting to wonder whether this staggering statistic is covering up some real unrest under the surface. It occurs to me that very few people are happy at the minute: creators are curbed, publishers risk-averse – and you only need to glance at our Facebook page to see that some consumers are seriously unsatisfied.
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    These people are the vocal minority, of course, and not everyone has a gripe to bear – but it feels like we're in a pressure cooker at the minute, and at any point it's going to burst. We've certainly seen a few cracks begin to emerge over the past few days, with the occurrences at Konami. I'm not on the inside, so I don't know anything for sure, but it strikes me that the situation with Kojima comes down to a disagreement over the future of Metal Gear – presumably with the publisher wanting to make more. Heck, it announced this morning that it's already recruiting for the next entry, despite Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain still being some six months away.

    I can certainly see boardroom executives taking issue with the rockstar status of the series creator, but let's be realistic here: Konami owns a best-selling brand, and it wants to exploit it – regardless of whether one of its employees commands a ridiculous amount of media and consumer sway. But this isn't an issue that's specific to the Metal Gear – it's happening all over the globe. Activision, for example, is doubling down on Destiny and Call of Duty, while EA focuses on its litany of sports games and Star Wars. Where are the Dead Spaces of the PS4? They don't exist.
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    Even the new brands like Watch Dogs and Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor feel fundamentally familiar, subscribing to a gameplay structure that we've seen time and time before. Last year, I was forced to capture strongholds in vapid open world maps in no less than five different games – and I haven't even played Far Cry 4 yet. And that's because as budgets increase, risks are being reduced – and innovation (as much as I hate that word) is being thrown out of the window. The blockbuster games space is turning into a production line – no wonder so much talent is abandoning ship.

    There is refuge, much to the dismay of many, in the indie games space – but even this segment of the industry has become toxic. While simultaneously complaining about the homogenisation of the aforementioned tentpole titles, consumers are also taking potshots at the smaller games – be it because their production values can't compete with The Order: 1886 or because they don't have infinite replay value like Assassin's Creed Unity. It really feels like no one can win right now: expectations are at an all-time high, and very, very few can actually afford to meet them.
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    And it's why, in my opinion, we're ending up with situations like DriveClub, where developers overpromise in order to standout – but ultimately under deliver. Don't get me wrong, I hold Evolution Studios fully responsible for the issues that occurred with the PlayStation 4 exclusive racer, but would it have had to stretch itself so thin, building such complicated social and graphical features, if consumers and critics didn't expect so much? The irony is that, even if the release had worked, the game apparently wasn't good enough anyway; read the reviews and you'll realise that most demanded an open world. Clearly it would have been better with radio towers to capture.

    I'm not letting the Runcorn first-party off the hook – it absolutely should have delivered, and on time to boot. But the layoffs that occurred at the studio this week almost seemed inevitable – it feels like you get one shot these days. There's no time for a second chance; I doubt that we'll see an Uncharted: Drake's Fortune to Uncharted 2: Among Thieves type transition this generation, because if something doesn't hit straight away in the AAA space, then all resources will be invested back into the tried and tested.
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    It just feels like everyone's in a scrap right now to me: publishers are sparring with creators who are doing battle with consumers – and so on. This week was summed up by Atari's attempts to remove TxK from the PlayStation Store, a game that's probably sold a few thousand copies at most on the PlayStation Vita. While it seems like it had the option to work with Jeff Minter in order to resurrect the Tempest brand, it instead decided to trade legal blows with Llamasoft just to protect an intellectual property that it's never going to use.

    And, as is so often the case, the issue at the very core of all of this drama is money. Consumers want more and more, publishers want to spend less, and creators – caught between risk-averse companies and indie detractors – can't seem to catch a break. This is very much a war of attrition, and I don't think that anyone's going to win. Sure, strong sales of the PS4 may be keeping consoles alive – but if the industry's going to continue like this, it won't be too long before I start to ponder whether they'd be better off dead.
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    Have you heard about the online petition started by an Aussie wanting a remaster of CoD Modern Warfare 2?
    You wouldnt think much of it but about 4 or 5 days ago Todd Alderman (part of the group that sued Activision) who worked on the original Call of Duty and Modern Warfare has returned to Infinity Ward as its multiplayer project director.
    Although CoD games now have a 3 year dev cycle this year being Treyarch's turn maybe will see Infinity Ward's Modern Warfare 2 on PS4 sometime after all?
    Ill believe it when I see it and as much fun as playing MW2 on PS4 might be Id still prefer a new CoD game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    Have you heard about the online petition started by an Aussie wanting a remaster of CoD Modern Warfare 2?
    You wouldnt think much of it but about 4 or 5 days ago Todd Alderman (part of the group that sued Activision) who worked on the original Call of Duty and Modern Warfare has returned to Infinity Ward as its multiplayer project director.
    Although CoD games now have a 3 year dev cycle this year being Treyarch's turn maybe will see Infinity Ward's Modern Warfare 2 on PS4 sometime after all?
    Ill believe it when I see it and as much fun as playing MW2 on PS4 might be Id still prefer a new CoD game.
    Hmm,perhaps a Call of Duty Classic Collection?
    That, to be honest doesn't bother me so much for some reason. I had some great memories in Modern Warfare 2. But then again, there is that part of me that's starting to go into a rage screaming "not another damn remake".

    And on a side note, I never got the 3 year development cycle for the CoD games. I just don't see how it takes them 3 years to make. It's the same damn game every time!
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    I think Oculus is the future of video games. Playstation has their own patent coming out eventually. The ps4 have a lot to offer. We're just not there yet. 2016 will be it

 

 
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